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I've just heard some heart sinking news:Apparently Apple have shelved system exclusive support for hardware synths!I remember Steinberg did this a few years back when they first introduced Cubase SX. I put a post on their forum about it and after over 1,000 replies and two paid upgrades they finally put the feature back.
I can't afford to wait that long again, I need tunes written NOW, I have record labels waiting for my stuff, and I need to get my Juno, Jupiter, and my DW8000 singing again, they sound flat and lifeless without any sysex. I really don't want to have to 'shelve' the Mac and go back to the clunky old PC.Time for me to visit the 'feature request' section. I need to send system exclusive in realtime, (as I stated in my first message) the synths sound flat otherwise.Can you explain this a more?Are all your hardware synths slightly detuned & you need to retune them with a sysex message? You say you need to send sysex in realtime. Does that mean you need to be constantly sending messages throughout the song because SoundDiver won't do that? There isn't a feature in it that integrates it with Logic's sequencer.What are these synths that need so much sysex rather than midi controller data?If you just need to record sysex from a synth & then send it back to get things set up for a particular song this might be all you need:If you just want to get an XSKey to try using SoundDiver maybe try looking for second hand copies of early versions like 4 or 5 but make sure the key is included. I'd imagine you could find them for about $20 if you are lucky.
I need to send system exclusive in realtime, (as I stated in my first message) the synths sound flat otherwise.Can you explain this a more?Are all your hardware synths slightly detuned & you need to retune them with a sysex message? You say you need to send sysex in realtime. Does that mean you need to be constantly sending messages throughout the song because SoundDiver won't do that? There isn't a feature in it that integrates it with Logic's sequencer.Of course, the synths are perfectly in tune, this has nothing to do with what realtime system exclusive control is for. I need to access the internal paramaters, such as the filter etc.
And record it into Logic, so I can edit within the sequence, similar to how you would use CC# with a VST to change the sound (maybe a filter build in a break of a song for example). If you just want to get an XSKey to try using SoundDiver maybe try looking for second hand copies of early versions like 4 or 5 but make sure the key is included.
I'd imagine you could find them for about $20 if you are lucky.Looks like the only way until Apple get the feature back. I've already spent out on a brand new MBP, and Logic Studio, in the belief it would be a replacement for my PC & Cubase. I thought this would be everything I needed, now I have to spend extra money buying dated software, which is a shame.The question is, will earlier versions run on Leopard? - I have only just bought the whole Apple setup, and this is what it was shipped with.Just to point out, this feature was in the first version of Cubase that I owned on the Atari ST in 1992, it is still a feature on the current version (SX4) although greatly improved. This is a massive step backwards for Logic if it isn't even capable of controlling standard MIDI features in a hardware environment.So, basically, anyone thinking of buying a Juno, Jupiter, or any classic synth should think again, because they will no longer be able to use it to it's full potential within their Logic Pro 8 songs, not until this feature is put back anyway.
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Doesn't Logic just record any MIDI coming into it? If your synth sends the sysex data while you manipulate parameters, then Logic should record it.Also, you can create and Environment template with sliders and controls and everything that send sysex messages, if I'm not mistaken.Finally, yes there are sysex messages that adjust the tuning and pitch of devices. On my Roland, there are sysex messages to adjust global tuning, temperament of keys, etc. Beware of using the word 'flat' in a musical context to describe anything but low pitch.
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I've just heard some heart sinking news:Apparently Apple have shelved system exclusive support for hardware synths!That's just plain not true.SoundDiver is a PATCH LIBRARIAN, which has been discontinued, and NOT the only way to send system exclusive messages to hardware synths. Logic has full support for hardware synths.You can create SysEx events in the Event List easily (p.451), and enter any values you like, and you can create a SysEx fader in the Environment to manipulate system exclusive data in realtime (p. 931).If your synth sends SysEx while you are recording MIDI, Logic records it.I just tested it with my external MIDI gear, and all SysEx data is recorded, received, played back and transmitted as it is supposed to be. I've just heard some heart sinking news:Apparently Apple have shelved system exclusive support for hardware synths!That's just plain not true.SoundDiver is a PATCH LIBRARIAN, which has been discontinued, and NOT the only way to send system exclusive messages to hardware synths.
Logic has full support for hardware synths.You can create SysEx events in the Event List easily (p.451), and enter any values you like, and you can create a SysEx fader in the Environment to manipulate system exclusive data in realtime (p. 931).If your synth sends SysEx while you are recording MIDI, Logic records it.I just tested it with my external MIDI gear, and all SysEx data is recorded, received, played back and transmitted as it is supposed to be.That's exactly what I need! Nice oneThis looks just like the mixermaps in Cubase that I know well. Does anyone have any ready made maps for various synths?I can program them myself if needed, but The alpha Juno, or the Korg DW8000 don't have sliders, so I wouldn't be able to use a learn function, therefore each object would need to be programmed individually, string by string - extremely time consuming.Is there an Environment library for popular synths kicking about online anywhere? This would be most useful.
Is there an Environment library for popular synths kicking about online anywhere? This would be most useful.Since what you're asking for has been a staple feature of Logic since the olden days, yes, there are literally hundreds of Logic environments available made for various synths over the years. This site has some, the Logic Users Group has a collection, there's some archived on swiftkick.com, or just start searching with google.I've yet to find one that didn't import into Logic 7 and I suspect the same is true for Logic 8.I've run Soundiver for years on my OS9 G4 behind me. It's invaluable if you run Kurzweils. If you have a lot of outboard MIDI stuff, it's still nice to have running on another machine. I've seen SD on eBay a few times.
The question now remains, why was sound Diver recommended to me as the solution, when the environment has all the sysex features?Soundiver has comprehensive editors already made up for many synths. So you don't have to author them yourself.
Plus, it was a great librarian too. The librarian used to be a seperate product called Soundsurfer but that eventually got blended with the patch editing software Soundiver.Running an OS9 Mac with Logic 4.5 and Soundiver in autolink mode can be a real joy. Sync it to your OSX rig and you have the best of both worlds. The question now remains, why was sound Diver recommended to me as the solution, when the environment has all the sysex features?Soundiver has comprehensive editors already made up for many synths.
So you don't have to author them yourself. Plus, it was a great librarian too. The librarian used to be a seperate product called Soundsurfer but that eventually got blended with the patch editing software Soundiver.That sounds brilliant! I wonder why Apple dropped such a useful feature. And also if they are planning on bringing it back in a future update of Logic 8, since the old version requires a key. I really miss the autolink feature.How are you syncing your machines?are you sequencing on the os9 rig and doing audio/softsynths on your other system?I can, but since I use a Fatar Studio 2001 which has 4 MIDI inputs and outputs with an internal patchbay function, I can easily sequence on either.
Usually I sequence here in OSX and just treat that rig like one big external instrument: Logic/Soundiver/Kurzweil/Roland, etc. As a 16 or 32 channel package chasing MIDI clock.!
Then just record the audio back in Logic 8 here.